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Post by gamebossgurl on Nov 25, 2018 8:39:02 GMT -5
Or can we discuss other addictions ? Thanks
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Post by soberinmi on Nov 25, 2018 9:43:56 GMT -5
So why would you come to a board that is "about alcoholism" and want to discuss another addiction? Bill W. probably never thought that he ever had to say that Alcoholics Anonymous is for alcoholics only. But, in 1958 he authored an article in the A.A. Grapevine which became a pamphlet that is still published today: Problems Other Than Alcohol ( www.aa.org/assets/en_US/P-35_ProOtherThanAlcohol.pdf). He expressed great sympathy for our drug addicted cousins but reiterated that A.A. is for alcoholics only. But then drug addicts already had their own 12-step program: Narcotics Anonymous. My A.A. hating fellow board members will surely attack me for using an A.A. analogy, but it is just that, an analogy, not a plug for A.A. So why do you want to discuss another addiction here? If nothing else, my fellow active board members assert that they overcame the serious and potentially fatal condition of alcoholism merely with the help of this website. Is that the kind of help you are looking for? Note that alcohol is also a narcotic or a mood altering substance. But the nature of alcohol, its legality and social acceptance, and the nature of alcoholism in that it is a long slow process as opposed to say heroine addiction which is instantaneous, makes it vastly different than the illicit narcotics N.A. serves which is why N.A. exists. See Narcotics Anonymous World Services, Bulletin #13; na.org/?ID=bulletins-bull13-r. This why there are separate 12-step programs, because an alcoholic can best identify or relate with another just like a drug addict can best identify or relate with another; I can see myself in others before I can see it in myself. |
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Post by gwampa69 on Nov 25, 2018 21:31:47 GMT -5
Or can we discuss other addictions ? Thanks You can discuss anything you’d like here. What’s on your mind? Gwampa69 |
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Post by soberinmi on Nov 26, 2018 18:29:31 GMT -5
Or can we discuss other addictions ? Thanks You can discuss anything you’d like here. What’s on your mind? Gwampa69 For someone who recovered from the progressive fatal disease of alcoholism using only this website, and the other active members who did the same here, what do you have to offer regarding alcoholism, let alone another addiction? I still wonder why someone would come here to discuss an addiction that is outside the scope of this website. |
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Post by gwampa69 on Nov 26, 2018 20:50:04 GMT -5
Gamebossgurl
No matter what your addiction, or the addiction of someone you may love and care about is, you can discuss it here. We aren’t based in any one ideology. Our only mission is to listen, accept, and support. So if you have a need that doesn’t necessarily fit in a box, please share. People are here to listen and share our experience.
Gwampa69
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Post by soberinmi on Nov 27, 2018 2:21:26 GMT -5
Gamebossgurl No matter what your addiction, or the addiction of someone you may love and care about is, you can discuss it here. We aren’t based in any one ideology. Our only mission is to listen, accept, and support. So if you have a need that doesn’t necessarily fit in a box, please share. People are here to listen and share our experience. Gwampa69 You make my point. Ur only addiction "experience" is with alcoholism where ur bottom was so high that you "recovered" with the minimal help that was was available from this website. But you could work on that ego a bit! |
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Post by trad3john on Jan 5, 2019 6:25:12 GMT -5
I am sick of drug addicts in aa rooms ... I never speak to them they should never share on drug addiction ...they are frightening potential members
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Post by soberinmi on Jan 5, 2019 8:49:14 GMT -5
I am sick of drug addicts in aa rooms ... I never speak to them they should never share on drug addiction ...they are frightening potential members More accurately they are nonalcoholic drug addicts. The short form of Tradition Three is inaccurate, the long form, which it was condensed from, says A.A. is for alcoholics (regardless of other addictions). Dr. Paul, author of the reading "Acceptance" whose story in the Third edition of the Big Book was "Doctor. Alcoholic. Addict" said in a 1995 "Grapevine" interview that being a drug addict doesn't automatically make them an alcoholic (one must still qualify as an alcoholic as defined in Step One). That said, nonalcoholic drug addicts can't work Step One, can't be rigorously honest, can't be unselfish and humble, and can't comply with the Traditions: Tradition Three and the alcoholic requirement, Tradition Five and A.A.'s singleness of purpose, and Tradition Ten and A.A.'s lack of opinion on outside issues. They come in with an entitlement attitude and hurt the legitimate A.A. members by never talking about their drinking. Nonalcoholic drug addicts are running from their true addiction. In short, drug addicts come in with their highly deceitful and con man ways and continue to act that way. Did I mention the entitlement attitude? Bill W. wrote an article in the "Grapevine" in 1958 that became a pamphlet that is still available today: "Problems Other Than Alcohol." www.aa.org/assets/en_US/P-35_ProOtherThanAlcohol.pdf. The article makes the case that admitting nonalcoholic drug addicts to A.A. membership can only cause A.A. to collapse.
For some reason old timers don't know why A.A. works and others don't. But I can tell you, it's not a secret. Alcoholics can best identify or relate to other alcoholics, and the same is true of other 12-step programs with respect to their scope of membership. Non drug addict alcoholics cannot identify with the drug behavior of others. Illicit drug addiction is vastly different than the largely legal alcohol addiction. So those nonalcoholic drug addicts selfishly hurt non drug addict alcoholics, but those who are truly cross-addicted selfishly have no problem with it because they can identify with the drug behavior. And again, nonalcoholic drug addicts hurt themselves by avoiding N.A. and pretending to be alcoholics, a lose-lose situation.
So, John, I agree with you.
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