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Post by Mark_LA on Oct 14, 2018 19:00:10 GMT -5
OK, I give -- you win the argument. But what have you gained? I still don't "want what you have" in sobriety, and can scarcely imagine that anyone else would.
I should have clarified that by "here," I was referring to a previous incarnation of this forum under the aegis of About.com. I was a member from 2010 until About.com ceased hosting forums a few years ago.
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Post by soberinmi on Oct 14, 2018 21:02:50 GMT -5
OK, I give -- you win the argument. But what have you gained? I still don't "want what you have" in sobriety, and can scarcely imagine that anyone else would. Either your attack is proof that you don't what I have or you do in fact want what I have and are willing deprive me of it if you can't have it, misery loves company. True sobriety is yours if you want and are willing to work for it. I've found the most stubborn and hard-headed amongst us wind up with the best sobriety in the long run. But to be clear, I could care less if you want what I have....
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Post by gwampa69 on Oct 15, 2018 13:01:12 GMT -5
Hi all I am brand new here my drinking has got out of control and I keep attempting to stop but. Me start again as I try and convince myself I can moderate but it’s clear to see I simply can’t. I have told friends/ family etc that I’m stopping but unfortunately as much as they want to support me I have failed before so they almost laugh where they know I’m not serious about this. I know it’s my own fault but I feel none understands how hard it is. And I’m angry wkth myself because it’s causing a lot of issues wkth my partner and family because of my behaviour when drink surely this is enough to just simply stop?? The problem I have also is I have a party at the end of the month and dinner/ ball which is 15 ladies and will involve a lot of alcohol and laughs which is great however i don’t feel ready to attend this whilst I’m trying to stop drinking but I don’t think my friend will be happy about me telling her I don’t want to go as I’ve paid £40 for it. The money doesn’t bother me but I’m nervous to say I can’t/ don’t want to go. I just feel I need to focus on myself and it’s abojt how I feel no one else but obviously if I decline the invite I need to show my seriousness about this. ☹️ I just don’t want to drink anymore it’s not working for me but I’m in this cycle of feeling great again then think oh I can have one. But reality is one is never enough. I can’t imagine my life without it as it’s so ingrained. But I know my life will be better. A lot of things I’ve read say after 3 months the delete etc goes and that’s what I want to feel but it’s jist getting there. Any support will be highly appreciated. 😀 Hi jola01 I want to apologize to you for derailing your thread. It takes courage to join a forum. You will find many personalities and opinions in a place like this. One thing we all have in common is a desire to quit drinking alcohol. If you still want to do that, then you have a chance at saving your life and the relationships you hold dear. Take Care Gwampa69
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Post by soberinmi on Oct 15, 2018 13:18:16 GMT -5
One thing we all have in common is a desire to quit drinking alcohol. If you still want to do that, then you have a chance at saving your life and the relationships you hold dear. Hey Gramps or is it cramps up mentally? Why is it that the anti AA members on here, you and Mark_LA, insist on quoting AA literature, the short form of Tradition Three here?
For true alcoholics, the goal should be stop drinking alcoholically and recover therefrom noting that true alcoholics, unlike potential ones, never regain their ability to control their drinking. But if this website alone can cure your alleged compulsion to drink, maybe it is just that simple as to make a choice not to drink.
My apologies for my sarcasm and personal attack, it was to make a point.
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Post by gwampa69 on Oct 15, 2018 13:42:45 GMT -5
Soberinmi I gotta say. You’re a real piece of work. I didn’t quote anything from your literature. My sentiments are my own. I don’t need someone to tell me how to think or feel. You act as though you invented AA or something. Why do you feel as though you have to protect it so? Like it’s an exclusive club that no one but a lifer can question? You should dial it back a bit. And stop with the personal jabs. You’re exhausting. I never once insulted you or implied that you had something wrong with your brain.
I’ll take a quick stab since you keep poking. My guess is you’re bored, angry, and always need to be the smartest one in the room. Close?
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Post by soberinmi on Oct 15, 2018 13:52:41 GMT -5
Soberinmi I gotta say. You’re a real piece of work. I didn’t quote anything from your literature. My sentiments are my own. I don’t need someone to tell me how to think or feel. You act as though you invented AA or something. Why do you feel as though you have to protect it so? Like it’s an exclusive club that no one but a lifer can question? You should dial it back a bit. And stop with the personal jabs. You’re exhausting. I never once insulted you or implied that you had something wrong with your brain. I’ll take a quick stab since you keep poking. My guess is you’re bored, angry, and always need to be the smartest one in the room. Close? Tradition Three - The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking. Don't wannabes who actually wannabe!
You would be amazed, or maybe not, how many times I am told I am wrong even when I can point to conference approved literature saying otherwise.
Bored, angry and such am I? I just don't want to see others hurt by your bad information nor will I passively endure your attacks.
If, as you suggest, this website is about a simple discourse on alcoholism, why are the 3 of you so terrified of my opinion?
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Post by gwampa69 on Oct 15, 2018 14:07:05 GMT -5
Ok I’ll try to make this my final response to you. 1) I’m not terrified of your opinions. At the start of all this I simply pointed out that not everyone is in AA. Nor do they have to be. When people show up here they are often in dire straits. Schooling them on your vast knowledge of all things alcoholism and AA may not be a great approach right out of the gate. 2) You obviously can cite chapter and verse the AA literature. After 30 years I would expect that to be pretty common. Kudos to you. 3) As for attacks, I hardly think you’ve been attacked. Certainly not by me. 4) As for hurting people with my bad information, that’s debateable. Why don’t you post some examples of my terrible information? Just because you know of only one way doesn’t mean there aren’t people that have maintained their sobriety without the help of AA. I can name at least one. After 35 years of that ####, I’m clean and happy. And believe me, my compulsion to drink was anything but alleged.
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Post by gwampa69 on Oct 15, 2018 14:12:42 GMT -5
Ok I’ll try to make this my final response to you. 1) I’m not terrified of your opinions. At the start of all this I simply pointed out that not everyone is in AA. Nor do they have to be. When people show up here they are often in dire straits. Schooling them on your vast knowledge of all things alcoholism and AA may not be a great approach right out of the gate. 2) You obviously can cite chapter and verse the AA literature. After 30 years I would expect that to be pretty common. Kudos to you. 3) As for attacks, I hardly think you’ve been attacked. Certainly not by me. 4) As for hurting people with my bad information, that’s debateable. Why don’t you post some examples of my terrible information? Just because you know of only one way doesn’t mean there aren’t people that have maintained their sobriety without the help of AA. I can name at least one. After 35 years of that ####, I’m clean and happy. And believe me, my compulsion to drink was anything but alleged.
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Post by soberinmi on Oct 15, 2018 14:23:51 GMT -5
Ok I’ll try to make this my final response to you. 1) I’m not terrified of your opinions. At the start of all this I simply pointed out that not everyone is in AA. Nor do they have to be. When people show up here they are often in dire straits. Schooling them on your vast knowledge of all things alcoholism and AA may not be a great approach right out of the gate. 2) You obviously can cite chapter and verse the AA literature. After 30 years I would expect that to be pretty common. Kudos to you. 3) As for attacks, I hardly think you’ve been attacked. Certainly not by me. 4) As for hurting people with my bad information, that’s debateable. Why don’t you post some examples of my terrible information? Just because you know of only one way doesn’t mean there aren’t people that have maintained their sobriety without the help of AA. I can name at least one. After 35 years of that ####, I’m clean and happy. And believe me, my compulsion to drink was anything but alleged.
WOW! You're too arrogant and egotistical to be an alcoholic! It takes humility, lots and lots of it, to get sober. Nonacloholics or potential alcoholics can just say no! That's all you have done is say no.
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Post by gwampa69 on Oct 15, 2018 14:47:09 GMT -5
Nice work pal. You got me.
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Post by soberinmi on Oct 15, 2018 15:26:19 GMT -5
Nice work pal. You got me. You "got" yourself.
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Post by gwampa69 on Oct 15, 2018 18:52:00 GMT -5
Haha. I think you may be nuttier than a fruitcake. But you do try. Thanks for stopping by our little patch of sobriety. Don’t stay too long though, something other than your AA-way or the highway approach may stick. I doubt it though. You’re as closed up as an umbrella on a sunny day.
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Post by soberinmi on Oct 15, 2018 19:09:49 GMT -5
Haha. I think you may be nuttier than a fruitcake. But you do try. Thanks for stopping by our little patch of sobriety. Don’t stay too long though, something other than your AA-way or the highway approach may stick. I doubt it though. You’re as closed up as an umbrella on a sunny day. So you and others like to quote AA literature, but you don't like AA? The Second Step promises to restore us to sanity, you know, soundness of mind and action. I suppose there is hope for you, but you just don't want it. Isn't it the trolls that stick around and the wise people who know when to move on?
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Post by slimkim on Oct 19, 2018 23:02:21 GMT -5
Sober I really resent you calling people on here not real alcoholics. I saw and read their struggles. Second it's people like you who stopped me attending AA. You mention drug addicts attending well what about when they turn up high. There are many different ways to get sober and it doesn't mean you were just a heavy drinker. As AA says. Anyone can read the big book so please stop quoting it at us. I hope you find the way of peace and serenity as quoted in the promises.
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Post by soberinmi on Oct 20, 2018 6:47:04 GMT -5
Resent away! One troll starts an attack and the rest jump on the bandwagon!
You are right it tales a great deal of "struggling" to recover. Often AA is not enough support for an alcoholic to get sober. The mere help of this nearly dead website by itself can only help a wannabe! Maybe. Members of this website "struggle" to stay sober? No. These members are struggling to keep their claimed status as an alcoholic. That is a sick person!
Anybody been to Passages of Malibu? Of course not. I lost my head for a moment.
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